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greetings the listening to the

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paranormal UK radio network the UK's

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biggest paranormal mcclure I'm David

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Young and this is paranormal dimensions

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now I'm going to do something a little

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bit different from from the show onwards

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I'm gonna give a shout out to people

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that people are listening on the

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paranormal dimensions page you know I

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just thought it would be a little give a

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bit of interest for people so maybe hear

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your name called out and if you'd like

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to shout out didn't know drop me a line

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and maybe we can do it now but first

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one's got a Gertz of life Jill young now

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she she puts that with quite a bit so

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and obviously we we're in Suffolk in in

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the UK so hello Jill the second are

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gonna say hello to his Sam Fred Lee he's

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in paint and Devin in the UK and the

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third is Sharon bread filled in

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Lowestoft Suffolk alright so hope you're

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gonna be listening I know if you heard

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of noisy offing that was my guest right

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now we're gonna be delving into another

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dimension of the paranormal and this

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this really concerns hoaxes and this is

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probably the biggest hoax of all the

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time really I'm not saying the Roswell

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crash itself was a hoax I don't believe

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it was something happened but something

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that followed on from it that which

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appeared in 1995 unbelievables Fillion

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with in July of 1947 something crashed

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in the desert near the Roswell mixer

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no sorry near Roswell New Mexico the raf

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AF r russell air airforce put out a

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press release on the instructions of

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major Jesse Marcel the intelligence

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officer stationed at Roswell which in

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essence stated that they had captured a

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flying saucer that had crashed on a

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ranch owned by mr. Mac Brazel just

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outside of Roswell

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now the the missile the military closed

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off the area and swiftly cleared the

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soil the following day general Ramey

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Ramey I think that's pronounced made a

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shop announcement that they were in fact

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mistaken and what they first believed to

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be a flying saucer turned out to be

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nothing more than a weather balloon

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the people of Oz will know it wasn't the

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weather balloon weather balloons are

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quite common and often fell in people's

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backyards the sudden change of report

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from something as amazing and unusual

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was a flying saucer suddenly changed to

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the story of a weather balloon which

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started an international debate

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now many people reported that they've

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seen alien bodies this was the perfect

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story for spirits and his team to be

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basing their alien and debris films

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supposedly from flying saucers crash

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site so I've made no more ado I'm going

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to introduce you to spirits Polaris my

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guests on this occasion and it's gonna

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be fascinating her experience

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hello David thank you for a wonderful

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intro to really start with these what

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how this Helsing kicked off because I

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think that video appeared at about 1995

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didn't it and it appeared on the tops in

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fact or fiction that's right at that

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time you didn't know too much about it

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well I knew nothing about the alien

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I mean I'm part from another usual thing

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you know the little green men flying

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saucers and there's a general public

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stuff I didn't know anything much about

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Roswell to be honest you know I'm not

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from I'm not from the UFO community so

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was it was it was good for that part

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because I was eight I was allowed to use

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my own imagination and and and put a

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different spin on the whole thing so

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very familiar with it I heard I mean a

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guy called Ray Santilli that you

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probably all heard about and um and he's

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the first one that said he had he had

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some film of an alien autopsy that he

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Roswell in the army so so that was the

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first time I've ever heard of Roswell

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subject to me so so yeah yeah so from

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there on he told me how to film in he

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didn't he had a piece of video which was

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which was made in in England in a farm

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and very very shoddy and yeah it was

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awkward not not too good apart from what

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the tent footage and it was it was

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clearly not real I mean uh from the

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minute I saw it I knew it wasn't real

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and and he tried to pass it off as real

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to you did he

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I was his kind of his test hmm because

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if he if he get it past me then then he

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had a chance to get it past people that

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didn't know anything about anything but

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the minute I saw it I knew it was it was

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a video a video shoot if you like it

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wasn't filmed on it wasn't filmed on

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actual film and that's a big giveaway

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because it wasn't available in 1947 yeah

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so that suddenly makes it a fake right

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yeah obviously there yeah yeah yeah so

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that's kind of where he kicked off from

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from next yeah I was you know what we

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can make this properly but I was coming

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from a different place you know I wasn't

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out to scam anybody I was I was you know

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I'm a bit of a joker I'm a magician you

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know I'm out to have a little giggle now

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and again you know I'm the first one

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first one to do a little practical joke

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on people you know that's my nature

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nothing nothing sinister you know it

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wasn't anything you never thought you'd

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have blow up the wait deed a million

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years and and I I mean just just a few

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telling me how this is real still and I

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know it's ridiculous is no there's still

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people out there and still think it's

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real yeah I suppose you've got to

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respect that but at the same time you

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know you just sort of wonder why did you

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know I mean everything's been made so

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obvious to me I mean I've seen you've

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met you a couple of times as you know

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from what you say it just makes common

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sense I think these people are just not

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actually looking at the evidence from

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myself really but you know what the

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problem is the problem they have is in

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any kind of case that you want to tear

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apart if you're looking at something and

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you want to go sector to pieces excuse

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the pun but you're dissecting the pieces

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and you want to make it you want to find

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is it real or is it real if you're just

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looking for that once

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Kingham thing that makes it the

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definitive yes or no

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then in something this complicated it

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has multi-layers of elements that I've

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put into this we did it we were very

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very careful thought it out very very

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well and created a number of things in

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it which which to make it look real you

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see that's the whole point

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quite a bit to get your head around it

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you know yeah well I think that I know

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you've given this sort of this quite a

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number Tom's you must get quite fit up

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we've given it really the same time it's

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few listens to get your head actually

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round though or the whole story really

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as to hell this this occurred two three

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times and every time they say they say

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every time they come they hear new

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things because what I do is I let the

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audience ask me questions and I go down

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that route so it might not be the

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planned route because all I have to do

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really is go from the beginning to the

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middle to the end and what happens in

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between there's so much stuff if you

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started talking about for example

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elements of things in the room then that

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takes us down a different conversation

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if you want to talk about the people

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involved that's a different conversation

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it carries on

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but the thing that I was saying was if

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you're looking to find the reason why

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this isn't real it's not one thing it's

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lots of little things and the minute you

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accept that one thing is wrong and then

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you look for the next thing and then the

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next thing what you suddenly realize

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yeah is that you can't have so many

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things that are wrong and make this film

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right yeah yeah you know so you're

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looking for the big smoking gun element

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but actually it's not one little thing

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it's the fragments of gunpowder on the

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person's gloves yeah it's not the bullet

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yeah one things wrong there's gotta be a

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whole lot of things wrong yeah I can get

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there yeah people don't take into into

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account when I say to them for example

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okay let's let's run with the Santilli

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story for the moment okay the Santelli

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story is that he actually got real

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1947 film and that it deteriorated and

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it became so bad that it couldn't be

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used but he found these guys myself and

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John who recreated the things that were

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in the film that would have deteriorated

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and made a new film okay that's actually

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a lot better than what we actually did

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if we did that that's actually a bigger

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that's asked them to make it exact

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because the next bit that he said was

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there are frames of the real of the real

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film within the film that we made so

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that means we've married up old film

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with new film so it's seamless okay

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that's amazing

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I want to meet the guy that can do that

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because I can't do that you know so so

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that's the story that Santilli is put

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out there and he's staying with it best

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guess he's living with that story but

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where it falls down is if that was true

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then there was fake film and real film

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then although we've got to do is find

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the real film right that's all we've got

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to isolate which is fake and what's

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what's real and the way we can do that

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is by looking at items in the film that

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we know are fake and then crossing off

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those frames okay so if we do that for

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example the autopsy table is fake and

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I've proven it's fake I've challenged

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everybody in the UFO community and the

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public to find another table like that

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in history anywhere in the world right

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we've got Google we've got Yahoo we've

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got all the different search engines

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we've got excited PDS and with all the

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medical journals there has to be another

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one that's like that just one no your

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machine yeah your machine up to make

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lots or factories do so especially a

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metal item like that you know so my my

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statement is this is fake I made it and

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it's my design which means that it

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cannot be another one in history right

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past ninety five before 95 there can't

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be another one that's my stand point and

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lo and behold no one's been able to find

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another one in history

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when I say to you is the only one well I

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took a big risk in life I mean if you

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yeah yeah you could have gone off and

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found one and then there's me dead in

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the water but yes that's not what

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happened what happened was I was very

271
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confident very bullshi in fact right so

272
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by putting it on the public and say

273
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there you go find one

274
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okay and they didn't so and and still

275
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then they're never gonna find one no

276
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challenge is - nope no understand fact

277
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therefore I think it's fair to say we

278
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can cross off in two thousand two

279
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thousand nineteen twenty nineteen we can

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say it's a fair bet that we can cross

281
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that off now no one's found it in this

282
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time okay so let's cross afford it all

283
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this all the cells that have an autopsy

284
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table in them okay then it leaves us

285
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with a few frames right then what we do

286
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is we I made another challenge and I

287
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said the autopsy had people wearing

288
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suits and those suits I made and I

289
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designed so they don't exist anywhere

290
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else in the world okay I was challenged

291
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on that because some people said oh yeah

292
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but you know maybe maybe they're just

293
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not recorded maybe they're not but

294
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there's a better part that goes on with

295
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this right and what that is is if they

296
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were genuine fallout suits then there

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would be an external air supply if there

298
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was an external air supply those suits

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will be pressurized there would be full

300
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of air because no air can get out of

301
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them okay so the air would go out of a

302
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tube into a tube and out of a tube so

303
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that's how you'll be breathing

304
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so the actual suit itself would be

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pressurized that we've blown up it'll be

306
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like a balloon but if you if you look at

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the autopsy you'll see that they're not

308
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pressurized and there's no visible means

309
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of air supply

310
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now I deliberately didn't film the feet

311
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in in on the in the autopsy at all

312
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because nobody was wearing any shoes or

313
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boots and it's a bit difficult to make

314
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them you know so we had to make

315
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everything so I thinking

316
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if I don't film the shoes boots they

317
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won't need to be made and nothing just

318
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saved myself an awful lot of aggro yeah

319
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but also also my get out of jail card is

320
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when somebody said to me or but wouldn't

321
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talk to me cuz I wasn't I was invisible

322
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at a time if anybody said that was

323
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investigating it well there's no air

324
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supply then the answer is where it could

325
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be a hose attached to a boot so you're

326
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not seeing the boots so there could be

327
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he's just open there there could be hose

328
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and therefore there could be an air

329
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supply but that's only if you if you

330
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accept that the suit wasn't was

331
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pressurized right it had to be but what

332
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we had to do when we were filming it we

333
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had to cut holes in the in the top of

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the helmets because they were too hot

335
00:14:57,559 --> 00:14:52,949
and and the people in the suits couldn't

336
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breathe you know so so and I thought to

337
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get away with you know I've got three

338
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minutes three and a half minute reels

339
00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:04,139
50-foot reels of film in the film and

340
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the cat in the camera so I'm thinking

341
00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:07,440
self will you even hold your breath

342
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through a little bit of black at the

343
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beginning bit of black at the end you

344
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can hold your breath for a couple of

345
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minutes to a half minutes and then I

346
00:15:19,490 --> 00:15:16,860
stopped filming right yeah there's a bit

347
00:15:21,319 --> 00:15:19,500
of a slave driver so I had everyone

348
00:15:25,730 --> 00:15:21,329
holding their breaths in those suits

349
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while I'm filming and gasping and very

350
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hot as well it was yeah so in the end we

351
00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:31,350
agreed we'll cut some holes in the top

352
00:15:35,059 --> 00:15:32,940
of the helmet so they weren't being seen

353
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you couldn't see the top but here's the

354
00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:37,500
bit that gives it away now that I've

355
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told you that if you look through the

356
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footage you'll see that if you go to

357
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youtube you'll find the clip on my

358
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youtube channel

359
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spiros SP y ro s I'll put a link on the

360
00:15:57,139 --> 00:15:55,439
page as well yes SP I said so it's on

361
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that you can watch it your leisure but

362
00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:00,000
if you watch the footage again and just

363
00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:02,040
don't look at anything else but the

364
00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:04,620
helmets on the people that are in the in

365
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the film you will see the helmets coming

366
00:16:14,509 --> 00:16:11,370
up and you know slapping around because

367
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there's there's no the reason that's 40

368
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that's the reason the

369
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is wrong is because for anybody doesn't

370
00:16:23,379 --> 00:16:20,689
understand how how a sealed suit works

371
00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:23,389
is that it has to be sealed so the only

372
00:16:28,540 --> 00:16:25,160
air you're breathing is the oxygen that

373
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:28,550
comes in through the pipe that's being

374
00:16:34,419 --> 00:16:31,040
fed to the suit and not the germs that

375
00:16:36,129 --> 00:16:34,429
are in the room okay now if the helmet

376
00:16:38,439 --> 00:16:36,139
goes up and down that means that the

377
00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:38,449
atmosphere outside of the helmet has an

378
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effect on the helmet which means that

379
00:16:45,850 --> 00:16:43,220
every time they breathe in the helmet

380
00:16:49,150 --> 00:16:45,860
goes down because the air above the

381
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:49,160
helmet is being drawn into the suit okay

382
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:52,160
so they're supposed to be fallout suits

383
00:16:56,439 --> 00:16:54,079
to protect them from germs that it might

384
00:16:59,199 --> 00:16:56,449
get from an alien body they have no idea

385
00:17:01,119 --> 00:16:59,209
about so suddenly we see them breathing

386
00:17:01,660 --> 00:17:01,129
the air there's no point wearing those

387
00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:01,670
suits

388
00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:05,270
no of course right so that's a massive

389
00:17:09,010 --> 00:17:07,130
giveaway and all the scientists have

390
00:17:12,130 --> 00:17:09,020
seen it that I've explained is to have

391
00:17:15,549 --> 00:17:12,140
accepted that the snow suits can't be

392
00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:15,559
real okay for that very reason so now we

393
00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:17,569
can cross off every frame that has a

394
00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:21,350
suit in it okay and not only every frame

395
00:17:25,860 --> 00:17:23,089
that has a suit in it but every frame

396
00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:25,870
that leads on from where a suit appears

397
00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:29,450
or when or if or when a suit is seen and

398
00:17:33,130 --> 00:17:31,130
then it leads off to another shot as

399
00:17:37,210 --> 00:17:33,140
long as it's uncut it's on it's a

400
00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:37,220
seamless straight shot then the whole of

401
00:17:41,950 --> 00:17:39,620
the shot is fake because it you cannot

402
00:17:44,350 --> 00:17:41,960
you cannot have the you know the next

403
00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:44,360
part in the same shot to be real if

404
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:45,950
anything in it is unreal it's not real

405
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:48,890
correct yeah so when you do that what

406
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:52,250
you're left with is nothing you're left

407
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:53,840
with a load of fuzzy shots of

408
00:18:00,279 --> 00:17:56,559
nothingness no nothing no image at all

409
00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:00,289
so where where are the real friend is

410
00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:01,929
mr. Santilli where are the real frames

411
00:18:07,570 --> 00:18:05,510
they're on them and it's not open for

412
00:18:10,510 --> 00:18:07,580
debate even it's not your any logical

413
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:10,520
person any any fair person is going to

414
00:18:14,490 --> 00:18:12,559
say you know what that's as good an

415
00:18:16,539 --> 00:18:14,500
argument as I've ever heard hmm and

416
00:18:22,389 --> 00:18:16,549
there's more I mean it's not the only

417
00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:22,399
stuff yeah so those two things alone

418
00:18:29,139 --> 00:18:26,809
must must start to the point I was told

419
00:18:30,579 --> 00:18:29,149
by a certain gentleman I don't like to

420
00:18:33,999 --> 00:18:30,589
mentioned his name because MIT for many

421
00:18:36,009 --> 00:18:34,009
publicity he goes around doing talks on

422
00:18:37,869 --> 00:18:36,019
the alien autopsy has not clear waste

423
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:37,879
talking about and people pay a fiver to

424
00:18:42,719 --> 00:18:40,129
go to a party you did do show a little

425
00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:42,729
few months ago I didn't your thing with

426
00:18:48,999 --> 00:18:46,369
was had to say woman yeah I did a show

427
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:49,009
with Philip mental in him and and Chris

428
00:18:53,499 --> 00:18:51,919
Evers and he was supposed to come up

429
00:18:55,930 --> 00:18:53,509
with some evidence I was supposed to the

430
00:18:58,089 --> 00:18:55,940
same thing he came up with nothing of

431
00:19:01,690 --> 00:18:58,099
any then he claimed it as a success you

432
00:19:03,579 --> 00:19:01,700
know it's anyway listen I'm not gonna

433
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:03,589
make no no I say I'm not gonna say bad

434
00:19:06,399 --> 00:19:05,210
things about him all I'm gonna say is he

435
00:19:10,529 --> 00:19:06,409
doesn't actually know what he's talking

436
00:19:14,649 --> 00:19:10,539
about and he did say and it's on record

437
00:19:17,979 --> 00:19:14,659
when I asked him okay he believes the

438
00:19:20,349 --> 00:19:17,989
film is real does he believe I had any

439
00:19:24,399 --> 00:19:20,359
part in it did I make any part of the

440
00:19:26,739 --> 00:19:24,409
film now bear in mind that everyone else

441
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:26,749
involved including Santilli has said I

442
00:19:32,469 --> 00:19:29,570
was involved and then they're on record

443
00:19:34,209 --> 00:19:32,479
of having said that but I'm asking the

444
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:34,219
point-blank question was I involved at

445
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:37,369
all and he said no you wasn't involved

446
00:19:44,979 --> 00:19:40,369
in any part of it hmm okay

447
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:44,989
well that lets goes against what even

448
00:19:50,019 --> 00:19:47,450
what Santilli says but it also tells me

449
00:19:52,659 --> 00:19:50,029
that his whole his whole approach is

450
00:19:54,519 --> 00:19:52,669
very motive you know if you don't like

451
00:19:56,049 --> 00:19:54,529
me that's fine you don't mean that you

452
00:19:58,509 --> 00:19:56,059
can't like everybody right not everybody

453
00:20:00,489 --> 00:19:58,519
can like you and that's okay right I've

454
00:20:01,989 --> 00:20:00,499
got problem with that but you can't

455
00:20:03,639 --> 00:20:01,999
change the truth because you don't like

456
00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:03,649
somebody or because you don't like what

457
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:06,950
they say the truth is the truth you know

458
00:20:12,219 --> 00:20:09,919
in any you have to argue with fact and

459
00:20:13,749 --> 00:20:12,229
with with evidence mmm I think you get

460
00:20:15,459 --> 00:20:13,759
to a point with put with people like

461
00:20:17,379 --> 00:20:15,469
that they've believed something for so

462
00:20:21,099 --> 00:20:17,389
long I just hate to be told that they're

463
00:20:23,169 --> 00:20:21,109
wrong yeah yeah and it's not even about

464
00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:23,179
being right or wrong it's just about is

465
00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:30,049
about the truth you know so when I mean

466
00:20:33,820 --> 00:20:31,820
if you know he can't understand how I

467
00:20:35,649 --> 00:20:33,830
can I can write to somebody who's

468
00:20:37,899 --> 00:20:35,659
showing my film and have it taken down

469
00:20:40,329 --> 00:20:37,909
and why people actually do it or why

470
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:40,339
YouTube makes them do it he can't get

471
00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:42,890
his head round that I own the copyright

472
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:45,590
he doesn't understand that on a legal

473
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:49,130
basis you know but I suppose if we're

474
00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:51,890
fair right cuz I like to do this right I

475
00:20:55,690 --> 00:20:53,660
like to do the fair thing because

476
00:20:57,940 --> 00:20:55,700
because it opens up other arguments

477
00:21:01,120 --> 00:20:57,950
right but if we're fair let's suppose

478
00:21:02,410 --> 00:21:01,130
this was a conspiracy and I was working

479
00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:02,420
for the but men in black and the

480
00:21:06,970 --> 00:21:04,340
government let's suppose that was true

481
00:21:12,010 --> 00:21:06,980
then maybe I could have the government

482
00:21:13,419 --> 00:21:12,020
influence YouTube maybe right but how

483
00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:13,429
could I get the government to influence

484
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:18,220
for example all the experts who suddenly

485
00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:21,010
seen everything they didn't see at first

486
00:21:26,049 --> 00:21:23,809
right because what they saw was a magic

487
00:21:29,049 --> 00:21:26,059
trick right they saw a magic trick they

488
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:29,059
saw the magic and they said my god I

489
00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:32,090
just seen a miracle and then I've done

490
00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:33,500
what magicians shouldn't do and I've

491
00:21:39,490 --> 00:21:36,049
shown them how I did it and then they've

492
00:21:41,770 --> 00:21:39,500
gone Oh God with Ruben head we can see

493
00:21:46,810 --> 00:21:41,780
we can now see how it's how he did it

494
00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:46,820
right so those people who were adamant

495
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:51,230
what they saw were real well a lot of

496
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:54,290
them independent they're you know I mean

497
00:22:00,100 --> 00:21:58,490
I mean see if you use a conspiracy thing

498
00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:00,110
you can talk about it are you familiar

499
00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:04,760
with Bob shell yeah Bob shell was an

500
00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:07,820
independent film expert and he had

501
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:09,740
worked for various magazines and he'd

502
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:12,320
written for magazines and he was an

503
00:22:20,530 --> 00:22:17,690
expert in his own right and Bob Bob gave

504
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:20,540
an honest appraisal of what he was given

505
00:22:26,890 --> 00:22:22,610
right and what he was given was he was

506
00:22:29,620 --> 00:22:26,900
shown a real canister that we bought we

507
00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:29,630
bought some real 1947 film of path a

508
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:32,360
news footage and baseball a baseball

509
00:22:38,650 --> 00:22:35,090
game in from Roswell in 1947 and various

510
00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:38,660
bit so we actually had a real can so it

511
00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:42,350
was genuine leaf 1947 and we also had

512
00:22:48,220 --> 00:22:44,740
other film that we took the leader from

513
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,230
which was also genuinely 1947 and we

514
00:22:52,090 --> 00:22:50,480
spliced that to my original film which

515
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,100
was 1995

516
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:54,320
it wasn't even it wasn't even Kodak film

517
00:22:59,940 --> 00:22:56,410
it was fuji film so

518
00:23:02,100 --> 00:22:59,950
so but nobody knows that this is a bit

519
00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:02,110
complicated anyway this is film thing

520
00:23:07,950 --> 00:23:04,900
yeah yeah but if you give somebody if

521
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:07,960
you show them an alien on a piece of

522
00:23:14,250 --> 00:23:10,720
film and then you roll it back into an

523
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:14,260
original 1947 can but then they say well

524
00:23:18,090 --> 00:23:16,570
we need some frame to check and then you

525
00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:18,100
just play the game I'm sorry it's too

526
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:19,420
valuable I'm not I can't give you

527
00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:21,730
anything well just give me a bit of bit

528
00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:23,590
of the front the stuff without image on

529
00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:25,180
it I just need to check it for the three

530
00:23:29,790 --> 00:23:27,040
year and now you give them a bit of

531
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:29,800
baseball game that before it started of

532
00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:32,050
platon right bit of fuzziness because

533
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,670
you know when you put film into a camera

534
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,400
you roll it onto the camera and the

535
00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:38,520
cameras open so you do it under a

536
00:23:44,730 --> 00:23:42,520
blanket or a in a black bag yeah so no

537
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,740
light gets to it but if little bit of

538
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:46,960
light gets through doesn't take much you

539
00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:49,510
get flashes of light on the little bit

540
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:52,390
of film which is exposed okay then when

541
00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:54,130
you put the lid on and you run the

542
00:23:58,380 --> 00:23:56,710
camera the bit the film in the roll that

543
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,390
wasn't exposed to any of the flashes of

544
00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:00,400
light starts to record and that that's

545
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:03,580
now clean so every every time you do

546
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:06,880
this you always get a leader from every

547
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:09,970
role a tail end and a front end of blank

548
00:24:14,130 --> 00:24:12,010
and that could be flashes it could be

549
00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:14,140
just black it could be just white it

550
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:16,600
could be a you know all sorts of fuzzy

551
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:20,650
shapes so we gave Bob some of those some

552
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:23,410
of that clip and he saw it coming out of

553
00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:26,110
the 1940 17 which was original from a

554
00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:29,470
film that had an alien on it and he put

555
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:31,960
one on one together and made 10 so he

556
00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:34,240
took the film that he was given tested

557
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:38,980
it and he found it to be 1947 film shot

558
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,530
in 1947 and developed soon after that

559
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:44,080
was his appraisal which is great which

560
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:45,970
is probably what the place ballgame was

561
00:24:52,050 --> 00:24:49,090
it was probably film 94 his own laughter

562
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:52,060
right so now here's what the conspiracy

563
00:24:59,790 --> 00:24:55,080
thing lends itself a little bit more to

564
00:25:03,110 --> 00:24:59,800
going against what I say okay Bob was

565
00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:03,120
found to I think he shot his girlfriend

566
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:07,870
okay and killed her hmm and he was done

567
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:10,289
for manslaughter not for murder

568
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:16,690
and he's he's in prison so the reality

569
00:25:21,899 --> 00:25:19,840
is he had a girlfriend drove him mad he

570
00:25:24,379 --> 00:25:21,909
had a gun in his hand something happened

571
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:24,389
then he shot right that's the reality

572
00:25:32,009 --> 00:25:29,500
the conspiracy theory is they're trying

573
00:25:33,869 --> 00:25:32,019
to silence him he was talking too much

574
00:25:36,990 --> 00:25:33,879
about the alien autopsy so they stitched

575
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:37,000
him up a nipple up in prison well you

576
00:25:42,539 --> 00:25:40,090
know see how this it fudges it all the

577
00:25:44,850 --> 00:25:42,549
edges yeah so if you're a conspiracy

578
00:25:46,919 --> 00:25:44,860
theory a theorist that makes it oh

579
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:46,929
that's interesting is interesting how

580
00:25:53,789 --> 00:25:51,210
you know and Cyril Wecht who who was the

581
00:25:56,879 --> 00:25:53,799
pathologist who was on the Fox program

582
00:25:59,700 --> 00:25:56,889
on the alien autopsy fact or fiction

583
00:26:00,509 --> 00:25:59,710
program died of old age he's not around

584
00:26:02,610 --> 00:26:00,519
anymore

585
00:26:06,509 --> 00:26:02,620
so you can't talk to him it's a long

586
00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:06,519
time ago right then you've got Stan

587
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,230
Winston he was a special-effects expert

588
00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:10,720
who was also on the Fox program he's

589
00:26:15,810 --> 00:26:12,580
dead because it's his old it was an old

590
00:26:17,539 --> 00:26:15,820
guy so he died of old age right but all

591
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:17,549
of a sudden when you're looking at this

592
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,830
how long ago is it now 25 years old

593
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,360
right so you know it doesn't take a

594
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:26,799
genius to work it out they're just dying

595
00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:28,690
of old age is not a big deal it's not

596
00:26:32,009 --> 00:26:30,580
it's not like a big experiencing but

597
00:26:33,419 --> 00:26:32,019
when you look at it from a conspiracy

598
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:33,429
theory say you know what is in it

599
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:36,370
convenient that we can't talk to these

600
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:39,250
people anymore and the only people that

601
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:41,769
you can talk to a people like Clifford

602
00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:46,210
stone who I've called him a liar before

603
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:47,830
I doesn't do this often I don't I don't

604
00:26:52,289 --> 00:26:49,809
say things like that unless I'm hundred

605
00:26:55,259 --> 00:26:52,299
percent sure because it's not fair right

606
00:27:00,200 --> 00:26:55,269
but I know that Clifford is either lying

607
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,210
or Clifford is a Fanta cyst is somehow

608
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:02,559
said it so many times it's believing it

609
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:05,230
himself he told me in an interview that

610
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:08,740
he saw my film in a military institution

611
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:13,210
in 1969 okay so that's quite compelling

612
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,070
isn't it and when he when I did the

613
00:27:18,869 --> 00:27:16,720
interview you know he told me about how

614
00:27:22,649 --> 00:27:18,879
he was tortured and he was interrogated

615
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:22,659
and how you know they they they stripped

616
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:23,940
him of his

617
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:26,100
you know put him in prison and they or

618
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,110
no in a mental institution nine prison

619
00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:29,760
and then when he came out they

620
00:27:35,270 --> 00:27:33,150
reinstated him and you know what I don't

621
00:27:37,550 --> 00:27:35,280
know what his story is I know he's had a

622
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,560
lot of a lot of stuff in his life to

623
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:39,840
deal with which was unpleasant but I

624
00:27:43,220 --> 00:27:41,010
don't think is anything to do with this

625
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:43,230
right and I think you know was a alien

626
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:46,110
subject that might have helped you put

627
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:48,120
him put him into an establishment

628
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:50,490
because when you when you lose it and

629
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:52,550
you start talking about aliens I suppose

630
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:54,870
is somebody who's not into the subject

631
00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:57,330
it might be the reason no but but I'm

632
00:28:02,060 --> 00:27:59,610
gonna call him either a liar or a Fanta

633
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:02,070
cyst and the reason is because the film

634
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:04,890
wasn't made to 1995 I know that for a

635
00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:05,310
fact

636
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,560
so whether or not you believe me or

637
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:09,480
anyone else is listening believes me is

638
00:28:13,790 --> 00:28:11,100
irrelevant to the fact that the change

639
00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:13,800
because I know right so if it's only for

640
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:16,590
me I know you know he's not telling the

641
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:16,970
truth

642
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:29,400
so what else so I'm literally I'm saying

643
00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:32,250
listen I'm I've got evidence it was made

644
00:28:40,670 --> 00:28:36,420
in 99 by mistake because you know I'm

645
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,680
actually too much my worst it's to my

646
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,240
detriment it's the worst thing I did

647
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:44,340
really in reality although I would do it

648
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,530
again cuz I'm a man of my own a word I'm

649
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:48,900
a horrible person if I say I promise I

650
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:51,810
won't tell somebody I don't write I'm a

651
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:54,210
magician I don't tell I don't don't tell

652
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:56,610
secrets I don't write but more than that

653
00:29:02,120 --> 00:28:59,580
if I promise that this is what we're

654
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:02,130
going to do I do exactly what I promised

655
00:29:06,860 --> 00:29:04,620
and I promise until II I would not

656
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:06,870
discuss the alien autopsy until it

657
00:29:11,420 --> 00:29:08,940
became public domain until he put it

658
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:11,430
into the public domain because until

659
00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:15,330
then it had to remain secret so I did

660
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:17,670
that and I promised and I gave him all

661
00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:19,050
the stuff that was in it and none of my

662
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:21,060
team could go to the news of the world

663
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,500
and sell the story because it was very

664
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,720
valuable you know yeah one single

665
00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:27,120
picture was worth 20,000 pounds at the

666
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:30,390
time so you know I was being very

667
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:32,760
careful that none of us were tempted

668
00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:34,680
because I know what in human nature's

669
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,540
like and if we gave them everything but

670
00:29:41,539 --> 00:29:38,159
by mistake

671
00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:41,549
and it really is a mistake I I had a

672
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:44,659
tape on my on my shelf in my distri

673
00:29:50,509 --> 00:29:48,120
which was direct from the lab where I

674
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:50,519
had to film developed and it's

675
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:53,760
devastated and it's it's got footage in

676
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:55,080
that was released and they're certainly

677
00:29:58,990 --> 00:29:57,090
released as not with a lien on it but

678
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,000
with the debrief British on it and

679
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:01,500
Santilli released that as real you know

680
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:03,960
so you can't pick and choose he released

681
00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:06,210
that as real he released it all is real

682
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:09,470
you know but the fact that I've got the

683
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,440
lab the label from the lab my company

684
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,080
name on it the footage and the and the

685
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:18,480
actual cassette with the footage on aged

686
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:21,419
right which is important so I've got

687
00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:23,610
very clean footage of material that

688
00:30:28,639 --> 00:30:25,590
Santilli release which looks very faded

689
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,649
yeah right so why would you fade if

690
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:30,000
you've got clean footage and it's

691
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:31,380
genuine what wouldn't you just release

692
00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:33,870
that right you wouldn't want to this

693
00:30:38,539 --> 00:30:36,750
made it make it worse cold yeah yeah

694
00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:38,549
you'd only do that if you wanted it to

695
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:39,750
make it look gold because it wasn't a

696
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:43,850
whole so so I have got that and and and

697
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:47,760
I've held back for a long time on my

698
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,940
book I'm teased by about it by many

699
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,799
people because they they expect it every

700
00:31:03,169 --> 00:30:54,240
every time we speak or when's the book

701
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:03,179
coming out because so much has happened

702
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,799
I would have had to release a second

703
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:06,960
book because it would be more stuff and

704
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:09,179
I've got definitive stuff that's just

705
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:10,769
become out the woodwork stuff that's

706
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:14,279
happened and I'm hoping that I'll be

707
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,370
able to to give give the public the

708
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,440
smoking gun they're looking for because

709
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:21,179
there's a few things that's propped up

710
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:28,679
that will be useful also some very very

711
00:31:35,470 --> 00:31:31,740
big developments happening I'm I've I

712
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:35,480
was offered a six-part a TV series with

713
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:40,710
with a very big TV network a little

714
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:44,039
while ago and I've turned it down now

715
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:47,820
because I really yeah yeah I've got a

716
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:50,610
movie I'm doing a proper movie

717
00:31:57,019 --> 00:31:54,299
and and the makers of the movie

718
00:31:58,639 --> 00:31:57,029
basically saying we'll look the movies

719
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:58,649
gonna do exactly what this documentaries

720
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:00,779
gonna do but better hmm

721
00:32:06,919 --> 00:32:05,100
I'll make a fantastic movie yeah I'm not

722
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:06,929
making I'm not making that much money on

723
00:32:11,419 --> 00:32:09,090
the TV thing that there is so much money

724
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:11,429
that it's worth you know doing so I

725
00:32:17,659 --> 00:32:13,380
don't want to rock the boat I've met

726
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,669
some fantastic people who in fact to the

727
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:19,279
biggest names in cinema I would imagine

728
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:24,779
current you know today and we're doing

729
00:32:29,230 --> 00:32:26,130
some great stuff and they want to make a

730
00:32:32,299 --> 00:32:29,240
proper Hollywood movie with big actors

731
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,309
to tell the full story right up to today

732
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:34,860
you know right right yeah the release of

733
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:37,500
the book and I find that that's a nice

734
00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:41,340
ending you know as I released the book

735
00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:44,639
earlier it changes everything every bit

736
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:47,190
kind of stunts it and I'm glad I didn't

737
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:48,360
do it cuz I would have released a number

738
00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:51,090
of things in the book that are better

739
00:32:58,750 --> 00:32:53,480
off told in the film yeah

740
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:07,629
community absolutely excluding excluding

741
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:09,950
who've been very rude by the way I mean

742
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:16,260
I've been and I've been right my

743
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:17,730
feathers were ruffle I think you were

744
00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:20,220
fighting fire with fire though yes to be

745
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,990
honest you know what come on

746
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:26,880
this is poppin I've tried to do this in

747
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:28,620
the nice way and explain it in a nice

748
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,899
way in it you know I could I can explain

749
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:33,059
it to you but I can't make you know what

750
00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:34,320
I'm talking about

751
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:37,350
you know I understand it for you you can

752
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:40,769
understand it yourself to do that well

753
00:33:45,409 --> 00:33:43,860
you know it's it's that old adage you

754
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,419
know you should never pick a note an

755
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,760
argument with an idiot there's just

756
00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:49,919
peaking with experience yeah you know

757
00:34:03,920 --> 00:33:52,760
you see some of the conversations over

758
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:11,899
so some another long didn't they so yes

759
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:16,320
so I won't have funny enough these these

760
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:18,060
guys that I'm talking to about the movie

761
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:20,130
now they they actually asked me if I

762
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:22,409
want to direct the film which I found an

763
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,250
interesting question because I think is

764
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:29,520
too big for me to direct and I'm too

765
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,280
close to it but what I did insist on

766
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:35,280
directing was the actual recreation of

767
00:34:40,630 --> 00:34:38,520
the alien autopsy footage so what we've

768
00:34:44,330 --> 00:34:40,640
agreed is that we're gonna have a named

769
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:44,340
director directed the movie and I'm

770
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:46,500
going to be a unit director that

771
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:49,980
recreates the footage just yeah yeah but

772
00:34:55,220 --> 00:34:52,260
what that does is two things first thing

773
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:55,230
it does it shows how I made the first

774
00:35:03,050 --> 00:34:59,640
one because because nobody knows it more

775
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:03,060
intimately than myself so so if I

776
00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:05,160
translated it to somebody else

777
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:06,870
lots of people have copied the footage

778
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:08,610
lots of people have made their little

779
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,250
own little spoofs and they're out there

780
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:14,400
you know and they all they do to stylize

781
00:35:18,020 --> 00:35:16,020
it and it's not a difficult feeling to

782
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,030
stylize because it's quite very simple

783
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:20,700
all you need is a little table and you

784
00:35:27,110 --> 00:35:23,310
need a clock on the wall and you need

785
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,120
the autopsy table itself and you need a

786
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:29,160
window panel behind the you know it's

787
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:31,140
very easy to recreate the set input to

788
00:35:35,570 --> 00:35:33,060
put a telephone on the wall and you know

789
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:35,580
what you need you there hmm okay and as

790
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:37,470
long as it's all white and and a little

791
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:39,300
bit wishy-washy and you like these guys

792
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:41,750
in white suits you've pretty much

793
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:44,490
recreated it but if you're recreating it

794
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:46,980
religiously you need to know lots of

795
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:49,830
other things things that if I sat down

796
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:50,400
with you

797
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,780
and we watch the film I would point

798
00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:54,240
things out to you you never noticed that

799
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,000
before I never noticed that before and I

800
00:36:02,750 --> 00:35:59,760
will show you lots of things that only I

801
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:02,760
know and because when you're watching

802
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:05,880
them any movie what you do is you you

803
00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:09,000
watch this story and you're get

804
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:11,190
engrossed in the story and you you kind

805
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:13,140
of get carried away with the story you

806
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:15,690
miss little bits which is why in ben-hur

807
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:17,730
somebody that wearing a Rolex

808
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:22,560
yes what about you as well wasn't there

809
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:27,150
some Winnipeg yeah yeah but but you miss

810
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:29,070
it when you're into the film it's only

811
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:30,810
when you stop and you analyze it and you

812
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,460
break it down to pieces and you find

813
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:34,680
these little things right because you're

814
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:37,470
looking for them but you know for me a

815
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,570
good film for me is when I don't see the

816
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:42,240
edits you know if I sit and watch a film

817
00:36:46,580 --> 00:36:44,250
and I forget is a film that's a good

818
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:46,590
film if I sit and watch a film and I see

819
00:36:50,660 --> 00:36:48,900
the edits because I'm an editor I'll sit

820
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,670
down as I'm watching a film I can see

821
00:36:55,150 --> 00:36:53,040
every cut every single cut every

822
00:36:59,180 --> 00:36:55,160
dissolve every you know I see it all and

823
00:37:00,560 --> 00:36:59,190
if it jars it's a bad movie you know

824
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:00,570
because I'm now pulling at the pieces

825
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:05,010
I'm I'm reading it in my head so so you

826
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:06,660
can't get into a movie if that's what

827
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,820
you're watching but if you if you watch

828
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,040
a movie and and it takes you away and

829
00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:13,440
you let carries you away into the film

830
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:15,750
and the story then that's a good movie

831
00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:17,970
and that's why these little pieces

832
00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:19,980
little bits and pieces are only seen by

833
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:22,830
people who are editors people that are

834
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:25,619
looking at every little detail there's a

835
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:26,970
general public wouldn't see the Rolex

836
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:29,220
watch they just wouldn't see it you know

837
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:31,800
so again I can show you a number of

838
00:37:36,830 --> 00:37:34,650
things not mistakes not mistakes but

839
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:36,840
things I put in there which I didn't

840
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:38,430
actually need to put in there because it

841
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:41,250
was overkill I put things into that film

842
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:43,859
in case they were seen because I don't

843
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:46,290
know what I'm gonna film because when

844
00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:48,060
you film in a mod with a modern camera

845
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:49,350
you can actually see through the

846
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:51,900
viewfinder through the lens so what you

847
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,170
see is what you're filming okay with it

848
00:38:00,440 --> 00:37:57,359
with an old camera the viewfinder is a

849
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:00,450
separate tube that you see through and

850
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:02,730
it's situated a little bit away from the

851
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,650
lens maybe a little bit higher above the

852
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:07,200
lens and what you're looking at isn't

853
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,609
necessarily what you're filming because

854
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:11,520
the lens are a different tube and it's

855
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:13,470
recording a slightly different part of

856
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:17,369
that frame okay so if you've got little

857
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,220
if you're if you're shooting say a tight

858
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,320
shot and you're trying to cut something

859
00:38:26,330 --> 00:38:24,300
out well it on that kind of film where

860
00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:26,340
you're not looking through the lens an

861
00:38:31,579 --> 00:38:29,060
SLR camera you you would actually see

862
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:31,589
you actually see bits you didn't

863
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:34,529
intend to be seen so I had to make sure

864
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:37,859
I had lots of things around ages and

865
00:38:41,779 --> 00:38:38,940
stuff so I didn't have to cut anything

866
00:38:43,249 --> 00:38:41,789
out I didn't have to worry about if you

867
00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:43,259
saw something because if you did see

868
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:44,700
something it would add to it rather and

869
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:46,920
take it away you know I put I put for

870
00:38:54,529 --> 00:38:52,680
example bakelite electric outlets in

871
00:38:56,749 --> 00:38:54,539
three places in the film you only get to

872
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:56,759
see two right so the other one was for

873
00:39:02,359 --> 00:39:00,119
nothing but when I bought them I put out

874
00:39:08,209 --> 00:39:02,369
I put out feelers in America I needed I

875
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:08,219
needed some 45 to 47 electrics outlets

876
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:09,930
and their bakelite they're made out of

877
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:14,579
you know bakelite and they found three

878
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,920
as a as a parcel so I bought I bought

879
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:19,200
the three and I thought I might as well

880
00:39:22,969 --> 00:39:21,210
use it you know I've got yeah I've got

881
00:39:24,499 --> 00:39:22,979
one for that's one for the clock and

882
00:39:28,309 --> 00:39:24,509
I've got one to the right-hand side of

883
00:39:30,739 --> 00:39:28,319
the of the autopsy table and you

884
00:39:32,479 --> 00:39:30,749
momentarily see that coming to shop so

885
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:32,489
jump in does that mean all this stuff

886
00:39:36,609 --> 00:39:34,950
will actually be used in the movie or is

887
00:39:39,459 --> 00:39:36,619
that gonna be easier or is it all gone

888
00:39:41,959 --> 00:39:39,469
what it's all gone but in the movie

889
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:41,969
because we're not we don't have to worry

890
00:39:46,489 --> 00:39:44,400
about people scrutinizing it whether or

891
00:39:48,769 --> 00:39:46,499
not it's real or not all of this stuff

892
00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:48,779
can be made I'm so here okay

893
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,630
so so those props that we can't buy we

894
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:53,940
can make it you know but no one's gonna

895
00:40:01,249 --> 00:39:56,249
in a movie no one is gonna say that

896
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:01,259
clock isn't a genuine 19,000 right if it

897
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:02,910
was a if it was a clock that was from

898
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:05,400
the 50s right no one cares

899
00:40:08,359 --> 00:40:07,079
because nobody scrutinizing the film

900
00:40:10,999 --> 00:40:08,369
anymore what they're doing is they're

901
00:40:13,459 --> 00:40:11,009
following the story right we will try

902
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,469
and make it as spot-on as possible in it

903
00:40:16,339 --> 00:40:14,640
I think we'd probably be able to get

904
00:40:17,299 --> 00:40:16,349
away with you know all these things are

905
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:17,309
still available they're still around

906
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:19,859
yeah I dare say they'd be more expensive

907
00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:21,450
than they were at the time when I when I

908
00:40:25,579 --> 00:40:23,099
did it well obviously you'll be pointing

909
00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:25,589
out in the film the things that people

910
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:29,430
will be looking out for yeah yeah what

911
00:40:33,979 --> 00:40:30,839
what you're gonna see you're gonna see

912
00:40:36,499 --> 00:40:33,989
us the actors playing the role of myself

913
00:40:40,279 --> 00:40:36,509
John my ex-girlfriend who was the nurse

914
00:40:43,009 --> 00:40:40,289
in the film my partner Craig Simmons my

915
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:43,019
brother Peter who helped helped with

916
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:44,560
some of the set

917
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:45,910
and all the different people that were

918
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:48,790
involved so all these people from

919
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:50,820
different walks of life even the butcher

920
00:40:56,970 --> 00:40:54,010
lousy noses for people that were didn't

921
00:41:00,000 --> 00:40:56,980
know that we're involved you know all

922
00:41:04,050 --> 00:41:00,010
these people will be the cast but unlike

923
00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:04,060
the Ant and Dec film which I call it the

924
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:07,360
darién ratio because because that's what

925
00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:09,250
it is it's just it's just one big ego

926
00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:12,580
trip and they cut John out you know they

927
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:16,060
made John an elderly mannequin maker who

928
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:19,810
who was dating the the the old lady was

929
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,310
just nonsense it's the whole thing this

930
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:24,160
is nonsense you know they made me a

931
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:27,700
kebab shop owner to a Turkish kebab shop

932
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:29,260
owner who does wedding videos on the

933
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:34,630
weekend this is funny if you can step

934
00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:36,190
away from it just think well if you were

935
00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:39,100
ray what would you do to stick a little

936
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:46,840
needle they made Volker I a gay man with

937
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:52,240
a black boyfriend and an arms dealer and

938
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:54,730
you know so they just you know what can

939
00:41:59,520 --> 00:41:58,210
we do to upset possible let's make him

940
00:42:02,910 --> 00:41:59,530
all these things that he wouldn't want

941
00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:02,920
to be you know I'm not saying there's

942
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:03,790
anything wrong with any of those people

943
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:05,950
but you know the combination is what's

944
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:12,390
write lots of gay friends I'm not

945
00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:14,470
probably them either I've got probably a

946
00:42:18,810 --> 00:42:16,840
black gay friends right but when you

947
00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:18,820
make them an arms dealer and you push

948
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:20,350
the boat out and you carry on making

949
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:23,050
them even you know so this guy's now

950
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:25,510
going to invest in an alien autopsy film

951
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:28,390
and you take it so far more ridiculous

952
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:32,320
yeah it just becomes funny right and the

953
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:34,570
guy at one point in in the internet film

954
00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:36,520
was naked in there in a crossing in the

955
00:42:41,610 --> 00:42:39,220
top server you know it's just nonsense

956
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:41,620
the whole thing is just too much right

957
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,930
so unlike the garyun ratio you know and

958
00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:48,400
it's a bit bubblegummy it's a bit you

959
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,340
know it's not about Gary and Ray Gary

960
00:42:58,289 --> 00:42:54,160
and Ray are in it and they play their

961
00:43:00,749 --> 00:42:58,299
part and I'm in it I play my part and it

962
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:00,759
it's a much bigger story than what the

963
00:43:06,509 --> 00:43:03,910
Anton tech film was but the problem they

964
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:06,519
had is when they cut me out of the

965
00:43:13,319 --> 00:43:09,609
antedate film they didn't have anything

966
00:43:15,419 --> 00:43:13,329
that happened to me so all the things

967
00:43:17,849 --> 00:43:15,429
that happened really happened while we

968
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:17,859
were making it they had no knowledge of

969
00:43:21,919 --> 00:43:19,630
it now I was the only person that was

970
00:43:26,009 --> 00:43:21,929
involved in every aspect of the film

971
00:43:28,589 --> 00:43:26,019
apart from selling the film okay but the

972
00:43:32,339 --> 00:43:28,599
making of the film I was involved in

973
00:43:34,109 --> 00:43:32,349
negotiating with ray about budget I was

974
00:43:37,439 --> 00:43:34,119
involved in the meetings between Gary

975
00:43:38,729 --> 00:43:37,449
ray myself and Volker and all this so I

976
00:43:40,919 --> 00:43:38,739
was in some I was on the business side

977
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:40,929
over there and working that at all but I

978
00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:42,670
was also involved in the designing of

979
00:43:47,189 --> 00:43:44,619
the creature and putting pulling the

980
00:43:49,259 --> 00:43:47,199
team together and getting John involved

981
00:43:51,059 --> 00:43:49,269
to sculpt to sculpt the creature and

982
00:43:54,959 --> 00:43:51,069
make some props with me I was involved

983
00:43:58,049 --> 00:43:54,969
with my ex-girlfriend who had a sewing

984
00:44:00,839 --> 00:43:58,059
machine so I would cut the the material

985
00:44:03,269 --> 00:44:00,849
make the suits design the suits give it

986
00:44:06,509 --> 00:44:03,279
to her to stitch together she also did

987
00:44:09,179 --> 00:44:06,519
all the research and went often so I was

988
00:44:12,329 --> 00:44:09,189
I was being reported to by every member

989
00:44:15,989 --> 00:44:12,339
of the team with their little aspect so

990
00:44:17,279 --> 00:44:15,999
I was in the center of the circle and I

991
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,289
was putting information from everybody

992
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:20,319
all around the circle where any one of

993
00:44:24,689 --> 00:44:21,880
those people was only getting their

994
00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:24,699
interaction between myself and them and

995
00:44:28,229 --> 00:44:26,499
there was you know John wasn't involved

996
00:44:30,809 --> 00:44:28,239
with anything to do with the research or

997
00:44:32,549 --> 00:44:30,819
with thee or with the making of the

998
00:44:34,949 --> 00:44:32,559
costumes or he wasn't involved in that

999
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:34,959
so he has no no knowledge of it

1000
00:44:40,019 --> 00:44:36,910
John was never in any of the meetings

1001
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,029
were sent illy for example so Santilli

1002
00:44:49,549 --> 00:44:42,400
didn't meet John until after the alien

1003
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,189
John was shown real film that he then

1004
00:44:59,249 --> 00:44:56,319
copied and made the alien that doesn't

1005
00:45:00,599 --> 00:44:59,259
work because chronologically the only

1006
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:00,609
person that could have shown him any

1007
00:45:05,999 --> 00:45:03,849
film is me right and I never said I'd

1008
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,009
have never seen in the real film so he

1009
00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:07,599
didn't see any film from me he got my

1010
00:45:12,059 --> 00:45:10,390
sketches hmm so right that's what he saw

1011
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:12,069
but

1012
00:45:16,289 --> 00:45:14,410
he said that Santilli showed him film

1013
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:16,299
well he never met Santilli until the

1014
00:45:23,009 --> 00:45:19,089
alien was made right so the whole thing

1015
00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:23,019
doesn't work and I've crossed this with

1016
00:45:25,979 --> 00:45:24,430
John and I said John look I don't want

1017
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:25,989
to make you look bad in public because

1018
00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:27,609
I'm gonna tell the story as it is and

1019
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:30,279
you're on record as having said these

1020
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:32,890
things and they're gonna be found to be

1021
00:45:38,009 --> 00:45:36,880
lies right so what's your position how

1022
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:38,019
do you feel about that

1023
00:45:41,279 --> 00:45:39,369
do you want to come clean and tell the

1024
00:45:41,489 --> 00:45:41,289
story or do you want to stay where you

1025
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,499
are

1026
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:42,880
what I don't know what your what your

1027
00:45:46,769 --> 00:45:44,920
deal is essentially because he's in his

1028
00:45:49,219 --> 00:45:46,779
pocket you know I'm John was being paid

1029
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:49,229
by Sin City so he took the money and ran

1030
00:45:53,939 --> 00:45:51,690
I don't blame him he had a young family

1031
00:45:55,259 --> 00:45:53,949
here a young family needed the money you

1032
00:45:57,479 --> 00:45:55,269
know what I don't blame them it's not

1033
00:46:00,449 --> 00:45:57,489
that's not for me it's not a personal

1034
00:46:02,339 --> 00:46:00,459
anything I'm not a problem with it so as

1035
00:46:04,949 --> 00:46:02,349
a friend I said John just tell me what

1036
00:46:07,439 --> 00:46:04,959
you want to do because I'm going to do a

1037
00:46:11,279 --> 00:46:07,449
number of things I'm going to copyright

1038
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:11,289
the film in my name I'm also gonna

1039
00:46:18,289 --> 00:46:14,920
copyright the creature now I know the

1040
00:46:22,229 --> 00:46:18,299
you and I created that creature together

1041
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:22,239
so you should be a 50/50 partner on the

1042
00:46:29,729 --> 00:46:26,319
copyright of their creature so if you're

1043
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:29,739
telling me that you saw real film then

1044
00:46:35,819 --> 00:46:33,910
you cannot have created it so you don't

1045
00:46:38,339 --> 00:46:35,829
deserve any any part of the copyright am

1046
00:46:40,289 --> 00:46:38,349
I right or not we said yeah I said okay

1047
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,299
but then in history what will happen is

1048
00:46:44,729 --> 00:46:42,400
I'm going to copyright everything in my

1049
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:44,739
name and I can prove everything it's

1050
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:46,930
mine and I'll get it and when that

1051
00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:49,089
happens you're gonna be cut out of it by

1052
00:46:52,469 --> 00:46:51,160
your own design not because I've done

1053
00:46:54,299 --> 00:46:52,479
nothing terrible to you I'm not gonna

1054
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:54,309
stitch you up but that's why we're

1055
00:46:58,499 --> 00:46:55,209
having this conversation

1056
00:47:00,930 --> 00:46:58,509
so do you want to be in or are you out

1057
00:47:03,269 --> 00:47:00,940
very simple and he said you know what

1058
00:47:05,939 --> 00:47:03,279
spirit don't blame you I've done a few

1059
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:05,949
things that I shouldn't have done and I

1060
00:47:11,249 --> 00:47:09,369
regret it now but he's done and he said

1061
00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:11,259
so what I'm gonna do he said I'm not

1062
00:47:16,499 --> 00:47:12,549
going to discuss it with anybody ever

1063
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:16,509
again I said so so does that mean he

1064
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:17,380
said well I'm not going to talk to

1065
00:47:20,189 --> 00:47:18,640
anybody anymore I'm not going to have

1066
00:47:22,979 --> 00:47:20,199
any more conversations anybody no more

1067
00:47:25,450 --> 00:47:22,989
interviews nothing that's it I'm gonna

1068
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,460
just I'm gonna just disappear now

1069
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:27,920
and I've done an answer any questions I

1070
00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:29,330
don't blame you for doing what you're

1071
00:47:33,010 --> 00:47:30,950
gonna do but he said that's what I'm

1072
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:33,020
gonna do so I said that's that's cool

1073
00:47:39,490 --> 00:47:36,220
I'm happy with that so I went ahead and

1074
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:39,500
it took me best part of a year to get

1075
00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:44,240
the copyright in my name because there

1076
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:46,070
was already a copyright at the US

1077
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:50,060
Library of Congress in the name of a

1078
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:53,210
boat's Antilles company but they weren't

1079
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:55,130
claiming to own the copyright of the

1080
00:48:00,430 --> 00:47:56,690
making of the film they were claiming

1081
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:00,440
they bought the film and they owned the

1082
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:02,290
registration of the copyright and

1083
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:05,810
they've they listed it as a 1947 film

1084
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:10,400
and it was shot by a anonymous cameraman

1085
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:14,690
and strangely it says on the

1086
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:20,720
registration place of filming Italy so

1087
00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:24,380
yes strange right now chantilly is

1088
00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:29,030
Italian hmm right so I would wager that

1089
00:48:35,290 --> 00:48:32,180
that's gotta be something to do with the

1090
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:35,300
place that this might be tried if found

1091
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:38,570
to be fake and in Italy you good luck

1092
00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:44,330
with getting any justice that's my guess

1093
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:48,349
I don't know but anyway so I dissected

1094
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:49,550
everything I pulled it all apart and I

1095
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:52,250
said okay first of all it's not a 1947

1096
00:48:58,359 --> 00:48:55,609
film here's my film it's 1995 and I

1097
00:49:02,200 --> 00:48:58,369
proved it and then all of a sudden

1098
00:49:04,450 --> 00:49:02,210
they're thinking okay so it's 1995 I

1099
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,460
said right here's here's all the stuff

1100
00:49:11,579 --> 00:49:07,280
I've got that shows me as the guy in the

1101
00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:11,589
middle and I prove that I filmed it I

1102
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:14,390
proved it was my idea I proved it I

1103
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:16,130
showed my design my drawings mother's

1104
00:49:20,859 --> 00:49:17,330
about that so he went through the whole

1105
00:49:24,130 --> 00:49:20,869
thing and they accepted that it's my

1106
00:49:30,190 --> 00:49:24,140
film and they've registered it my film

1107
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:30,200
made in 1995 and that's nothing else

1108
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:31,970
nobody else has got any kind of credit

1109
00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:37,490
on it but they still have a film in the

1110
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:39,120
archive which is exactly

1111
00:49:47,330 --> 00:49:44,160
my film dated 1947 with orbital media as

1112
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:47,340
the owner and I said well how can you

1113
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:49,290
leave two identical film to two

1114
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,090
different dates on it how can you leave

1115
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:53,520
that film in place and they said to me

1116
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:55,290
well we're not we're not proactive we're

1117
00:50:00,590 --> 00:49:58,440
reactive so if you were to take action

1118
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:00,600
we would react to the action but we

1119
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:04,170
won't take it down ourselves we need to

1120
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:06,780
be told to take it down hmm that's how

1121
00:50:13,610 --> 00:50:10,500
they operate so I said okay so as part

1122
00:50:16,070 --> 00:50:13,620
of the film that's what's gonna be you

1123
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:16,080
know that's gonna be part of the you

1124
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:18,540
know the the tail end of the what

1125
00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:20,790
happens but it was a bit complicated

1126
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:30,030
it's quite the right way to do it you

1127
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:33,300
know so like I said I don't want to

1128
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:36,810
direct the film in its entirety I think

1129
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:38,310
it would be it wouldn't be doing here

1130
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:40,770
justice it needs to have a big name I

1131
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:44,610
would love a Steven Spielberg or a Danny

1132
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:49,800
Boyle or you know somebody somebody of

1133
00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:52,500
that ilk and I think I think that's very

1134
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,100
doable

1135
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:55,440
I think a restoring success as well I

1136
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,480
think so I think it'll make a big

1137
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,040
difference with it because the Anton

1138
00:51:06,110 --> 00:51:01,200
Zeck film just left everyone thinking

1139
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,120
okay but really you know it was made

1140
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:07,440
very cheaply you know this would have a

1141
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:09,660
proper budget I have made one request

1142
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:11,370
and that's the only request I've made

1143
00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:15,300
apart from me directing the the autopsy

1144
00:51:20,540 --> 00:51:18,750
footage as a second union is I've

1145
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:20,550
insisted that Danny DeVito plays

1146
00:51:46,460 --> 00:51:39,530
recentlly videos on the weekend yeah

1147
00:51:48,590 --> 00:51:46,470
yeah funny if he signs up you know it's

1148
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:48,600
not my call who plays who I'm you know

1149
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:50,250
people people have asked me whose little

1150
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:51,210
play you hmm

1151
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:52,440
well you know what

1152
00:52:04,490 --> 00:51:55,290
as long as it fits and it's right you

1153
00:52:08,050 --> 00:52:04,500
know I'm not you know I don't know if

1154
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:08,060
Jack Black was a bit younger right

1155
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:11,599
because don't forget is me 25 years ago

1156
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:14,730
right so if Jack Jack Black's too old

1157
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:16,170
but yeah that would have been ideal it

1158
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:17,040
would have played that he would have

1159
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:20,670
played the role very well but it needs

1160
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:22,050
to be somebody that's gonna play the

1161
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:24,900
robber you know Simon Pegg would play

1162
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:29,220
John perfectly Simon Pegg is the right

1163
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:31,859
guy for John again he's now a bit too

1164
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:34,530
old the youngest Simon Pegg you know you

1165
00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:35,910
know you're familiar with lumpish yeah

1166
00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:39,660
yeah yeah yeah so so you know I've got

1167
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,430
my ideas but you know what I'm not

1168
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:43,920
putting them on the table so you're apt

1169
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:45,660
to make suggestions and things I presume

1170
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:47,369
yeah see if they vary and they can get

1171
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:49,650
yeah yeah so I'm gonna tell I'm gonna

1172
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:52,650
tell people who you know I'm gonna tell

1173
00:52:59,260 --> 00:52:55,710
that the the whole screenplay will be

1174
00:53:01,940 --> 00:52:59,270
written again so be written from my book

1175
00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:01,950
and dramatized so there'll be lots of

1176
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:03,420
subplots there'll be things that you

1177
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:04,680
know just to keep it interesting cuz

1178
00:53:08,059 --> 00:53:06,300
it's not just it wasn't just about

1179
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:08,069
making an autopsy well what was my

1180
00:53:13,339 --> 00:53:10,910
relationship with sin Tilly what was my

1181
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:13,349
yeah it was my relationship with my

1182
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,760
girlfriend for example at a time there

1183
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:16,920
was a little subplot there you know my

1184
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,710
relationship with John and the twins and

1185
00:53:25,339 --> 00:53:21,839
you know so there was lots and lots of

1186
00:53:28,849 --> 00:53:25,349
little subplots which which explains why

1187
00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:28,859
this team was so tight right because we

1188
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:31,230
were we were very very tight and and and

1189
00:53:35,059 --> 00:53:34,230
that's where the trust came from yeah

1190
00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:35,069
there's quite a few different

1191
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,630
characterizations as well to be thinking

1192
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:39,839
about in there because yeah yeah yeah

1193
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:41,880
and the qualifications of those people

1194
00:53:47,059 --> 00:53:45,300
you know you know to say that I film

1195
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:47,069
this because I was qualified because I

1196
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:50,010
did wedding videos on the weekend is is

1197
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:52,170
not it's not an insult to me already

1198
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:53,849
with it wedding videographers you know

1199
00:53:59,599 --> 00:53:57,000
that isn't the issue the issue is it's

1200
00:54:02,059 --> 00:53:59,609
it needed an expertise on a number of

1201
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:02,069
levels not that I'm a great expert in

1202
00:54:05,770 --> 00:54:03,630
anything but I have experience in

1203
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:05,780
various things I've worked

1204
00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:07,550
I've you know from the age of six I've

1205
00:54:12,970 --> 00:54:09,590
been filming a cine film right on

1206
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:12,980
cameras on film cameras you know I had

1207
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:17,150
the very very first nonlinear edit suite

1208
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,540
you know as a computer editing sleaze

1209
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:21,680
you know I was one of three people in

1210
00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:24,230
the UK that had one BBC was the other

1211
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:27,140
and there was one as a company castle in

1212
00:54:32,730 --> 00:54:29,930
Ireland you know these are the you know

1213
00:54:35,980 --> 00:54:32,740
I'm a major player in in a lot of areas

1214
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:35,990
that nobody knows about you know so when

1215
00:54:40,570 --> 00:54:38,510
I when I look at doing this you know

1216
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:40,580
I've got I've got experience with prop

1217
00:54:45,250 --> 00:54:43,130
making you know I knew I knew John who

1218
00:54:48,130 --> 00:54:45,260
was doing film special effects on a very

1219
00:54:51,970 --> 00:54:48,140
high level you know so I had access to

1220
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:51,980
so much information and stuff that that

1221
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:55,850
if it wasn't me in that seat it wouldn't

1222
00:55:00,040 --> 00:54:58,250
be the same film and if it wasn't John

1223
00:55:01,690 --> 00:55:00,050
making it wouldn't have been the same

1224
00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:01,700
film and if it wasn't my my ex

1225
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:03,260
girlfriend doing the research it

1226
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:05,690
wouldn't have been the same floor so you

1227
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,810
pull all this expertise together and and

1228
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:10,880
by some freak of nature you you've

1229
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:13,250
pulled together an impossible team hmm

1230
00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:15,350
that's how it works and I think the the

1231
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:16,940
subplots of the relationships of

1232
00:55:22,810 --> 00:55:20,170
everybody very very important you know

1233
00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:22,820
as important as pulling the thing off

1234
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:25,400
because it's the reason it happened hmm

1235
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:30,890
you know so yeah so we're the ant and

1236
00:55:37,690 --> 00:55:33,020
DEC's film failed was they only had the

1237
00:55:39,310 --> 00:55:37,700
perspective of Gary and Ray and and

1238
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:39,320
obviously John was involved because I

1239
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:42,020
don't if you know this but John sculpted

1240
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:45,410
the alien this was in that film and he

1241
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:47,150
phoned me and said look we've got

1242
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:49,070
problem with me doing this now I was the

1243
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:50,480
first time I heard the film was going

1244
00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:52,910
ahead cuz I was asked if I wanted to be

1245
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,470
a part of it and I said no I think we

1246
00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:57,040
should do it and because it was

1247
00:56:00,790 --> 00:55:59,210
positioned it that we were doing it for

1248
00:56:03,370 --> 00:56:00,800
fun it was the first time we're gonna

1249
00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:03,380
reveal the truth and the whole idea was

1250
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,760
that we would make our money by

1251
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,520
revealing it wasn't by selling it I had

1252
00:56:10,780 --> 00:56:08,960
no idea so until he was selling it went

1253
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:10,790
over the world I thought he was giving

1254
00:56:15,820 --> 00:56:13,760
the footage and people were making

1255
00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:15,830
programs about it and then we were gonna

1256
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:18,280
then make a new program to say harvest

1257
00:56:22,090 --> 00:56:19,490
right

1258
00:56:23,710 --> 00:56:22,100
be saying how surprised you were the one

1259
00:56:25,390 --> 00:56:23,720
baby sitting watching the television and

1260
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:25,400
somebody told you about it was on a

1261
00:56:30,850 --> 00:56:27,140
different channel or something was in it

1262
00:56:33,580 --> 00:56:30,860
yeah yeah countries you know in

1263
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:33,590
different languages and I couldn't

1264
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:34,970
believe I couldn't believe that when I

1265
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:37,430
found out he was selling it and for the

1266
00:56:40,810 --> 00:56:39,380
amounts of money that he took you know

1267
00:56:44,590 --> 00:56:40,820
and I thought no one they didn't care

1268
00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:44,600
about the big reveal because he'd rather

1269
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:46,550
not reveal it because he's made loads of

1270
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:52,490
money after the event I was you know

1271
00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:54,200
people said to me for a lot people asked

1272
00:56:58,210 --> 00:56:56,180
me know why didn't you speak up before

1273
00:57:00,130 --> 00:56:58,220
when you found out he's selling it and

1274
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:00,140
you know I didn't find out until just

1275
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:02,930
before the Anton Zeck film that all this

1276
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:06,200
was going on but more importantly I was

1277
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:07,730
signed to an undisclosed your agreement

1278
00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:09,710
and I and a promise that I made that I

1279
00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:11,390
would never reveal it until it was in

1280
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:13,430
the public domain and the story that I

1281
00:57:18,490 --> 00:57:16,250
was being given by Santilli and stupidly

1282
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:18,500
I just believed it

1283
00:57:22,330 --> 00:57:20,570
I say stupidly and I'm not a stupid

1284
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:22,340
person but you know what when when your

1285
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,770
friend tells you something you believe

1286
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:26,000
them they're your friend they're not

1287
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:27,680
they're not you know you don't know what

1288
00:57:33,070 --> 00:57:31,369
they doing behind your back so so when

1289
00:57:34,750 --> 00:57:33,080
he said to me all people are ripping it

1290
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:34,760
off and we're being we're being ripped

1291
00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:37,850
off and we can't sue them because if we

1292
00:57:41,650 --> 00:57:40,280
salute them all that's going to happen

1293
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:41,660
is the judge is going to say well this

1294
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,350
is a genuine military film and it's not

1295
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:46,880
yours anyway so how can you make a claim

1296
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:50,090
on it and it kind of a sort of you're

1297
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:52,190
right which ourselves in the foot you

1298
00:57:57,790 --> 00:57:53,920
know I bought it just bought the story

1299
00:58:00,099 --> 00:57:57,800
little did I know that he'd registered

1300
00:58:03,340 --> 00:58:00,109
it as a genuine 1947 film and he was

1301
00:58:05,849 --> 00:58:03,350
selling it everybody so whether or not

1302
00:58:08,530 --> 00:58:05,859
there is a legal issue with the

1303
00:58:11,530 --> 00:58:08,540
registration of 1947 I'm not going to

1304
00:58:16,030 --> 00:58:11,540
say anything on this program which is is

1305
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:16,040
gonna point the finger but I would kind

1306
00:58:19,690 --> 00:58:18,650
of wager that there's some wrongdoing

1307
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:19,700
here hmm

1308
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:21,470
and that will come out in the wash I

1309
00:58:26,290 --> 00:58:23,330
would imagine and we'll see how that

1310
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:26,300
pans out I don't think you can tell on a

1311
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,490
public on a government website I don't

1312
00:58:40,990 --> 00:58:33,440
think you can say something's 1947

1313
00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:41,000
oh yeah and then sell it to somebody on

1314
00:58:45,609 --> 00:58:43,640
the back of that registration I would

1315
00:58:48,359 --> 00:58:45,619
imagine there sometime it wrong there so

1316
00:58:50,650 --> 00:58:48,369
we'll see we'll see how that hands out

1317
00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:50,660
I'm sorry we've rights you've run out of

1318
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:52,280
time it's been so fascinating it's gone

1319
00:58:57,309 --> 00:58:55,369
so quickly yes I don't know if you'd

1320
00:59:01,930 --> 00:58:57,319
like to come back to do the part too

1321
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,940
perhaps maybe because because I know

1322
00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:03,680
we've lost we've left a lot of stuff out

1323
00:59:08,530 --> 00:59:05,960
about so all the o'clock and the boyars

1324
00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:08,540
and your little building in Camden Town

1325
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:19,550
and everything would you like to thanks

1326
00:59:23,410 --> 00:59:20,810
for listening I hope you've been as

1327
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:23,420
fascinating as I have been and I will

1328
00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:25,490
get the spirits to do a part two we will

1329
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:29,030
continue where we left off and that's

1330
00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:32,000
preview I think so thank you very much

1331
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:33,260
for coming on Spiros it's been fantastic

1332
00:59:38,260 --> 00:59:36,770
and I will get back on a press in a few

1333
00:59:41,170 --> 00:59:38,270
weeks then we'll continue this it's

1334
00:59:43,150 --> 00:59:41,180
brilliant thank you my life is

1335
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:43,160
prosperous and by everyone I thank you

1336
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:46,310
for listening thank you bye-bye